Legislature(1993 - 1994)

09/30/1993 01:30 PM House TMB

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                   MILITARY SCHOOLS TASK FORCE                                 
                         PUBLIC HEARING                                        
                       September 30, 1993                                      
                            1:30 p.m.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Representative Eldon Mulder                                                  
  Senator Loren Leman                                                          
  Bonnie Carroll                                                               
  Captain Dennis Porter                                                        
  Colonel George Vakalis                                                       
  Lt. Colonel David Melcher                                                    
  Janet Stokesbury                                                             
  Barbara Martin                                                               
  Nancy Miller                                                                 
  Patty Norheim                                                                
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  Representative Terry Martin                                                  
  Representative Ed Willis                                                     
  Sue Wilken                                                                   
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  Second Public Hearing of the Military Schools Task Force                     
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JEANNETTE JAMES                                               
  Alaska State Legislature                                                     
  P.O. Box 56622                                                               
  North Pole, Alaska   99705                                                   
                                                                               
  GREG BRANCH                                                                  
  Architectural Planning and Design                                            
  Anchorage School District                                                    
  P.O. Box 196614                                                              
  Anchorage, Alaska  99519                                                     
                                                                               
  TOM ANDERSON, Staff                                                          
  Representative Terry Martin's Office                                         
  716 W. Fourth Avenue, Ste. 650                                               
  Anchorage, Alaska  99501                                                     
                                                                               
  SANDY BURGESS, Elementary Supervisor                                         
  Anchorage School District                                                    
  P.O. Box 196614                                                              
  Anchorage, Alaska  99519                                                     
                                                                               
  SHEILA PETERSON, Staff                                                       
  Commissioner's Office                                                        
  Alaska Department of Education                                               
  801 W. 10th, Ste. 200                                                        
  Juneau, Alaska 99801-1894                                                    
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-3, SIDE A                                                            
  Number 005                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ELDON MULDER called the meeting to order at                   
  1:38 p.m.  He welcomed Representative Jeannette James who                    
  was participating by teleconference hook-up in Fairbanks,                    
  Sheila Peterson of the State of Alaska, Department of                        
  Education who was participating by teleconference hook-up in                 
  Juneau and Patty Norheim, Chair of the State Board of                        
  Education who was participating by teleconference from                       
  Petersburg.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 044                                                                   
                                                                               
  In addition to Representative Mulder, those present in                       
  Anchorage were Colonel George Vakalis, Lt. Colonel David                     
  Melcher, Captain Dennis Porter, Tom Anderson on behalf of                    
  Representative Terry Martin, Barbara Martin, Greg Branch,                    
  Janet Stokesbury, Sandy Burgess, Nancy Miller, Bonnie                        
  Carroll and Senator Loren Leman.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 080                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER thanked the Anchorage school district                  
  for the tour earlier that day.  He explained for those not                   
  present on the tour, that the task force toured the schools                  
  on Elmendorf Air Force Base and on Fort Richardson.                          
                                                                               
  Number 097                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER opened the floor to any questions                      
  which might have arisen as a result of the tour.                             
                                                                               
  Number 103                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR LOREN LEMAN raised the question of which projects                    
  contained on the base school project list provided by the                    
  Anchorage school district need to be completed before the                    
  Anchorage school district is willing to assume ownership of                  
  the schools.                                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 116                                                                   
                                                                               
  GREG BRANCH, ANCHORAGE SCHOOL DISTRICT, stated that he was                   
  not in a position to answer.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 126                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER noted that on the tour, the Anchorage                  
  school district provided a project list which expanded upon                  
  the 1990 project list.  The additions resulted in a new cost                 
  estimate which exceeds, by about one-third, the previous                     
  cost estimate.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 138                                                                   
                                                                               
  JANET STOKESBURY, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, ANCHORAGE SCHOOL                  
  DISTRICT, stated that because the project list is still in                   
  the draft stages, she is not able to identify those items on                 
  the list which are mandatory.                                                
                                                                               
  Number 138                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked Ms. Stokesbury for the total                     
  revised cost estimate.                                                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY responded that the revised cost estimate is                   
  $35.8 million for the six schools.                                           
                                                                               
  Number 148                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked Ms. Stokesbury for an estimate                   
  of the time needed by the Anchorage school district to                       
  determine which items on the list must be completed to                       
  effect a transfer.  As Representative Mulder explained, he                   
  shares Senator Leman's concern that the task force and the                   
  school district may have differing views as to which items                   
  are essential to effect the transfer.  In his opinion, the                   
  most important thing is to effect the transfer, because then                 
  there will be a mechanism in place to upgrade the base                       
  schools in the future.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 166                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY explained that several school district                        
  administrators had already looked at the list and determined                 
  there were some items which were not mandatory.  However, it                 
  would probably take another week or so to arrive at a                        
  definitive answer.                                                           
                                                                               
  Number 173                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER reiterated that this information is                    
  critical for the task force to properly perform its job.                     
                                                                               
  Number 178                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER, ALCOM, noted that he had come up with a                      
  figure of $35,761,000 with the revisions as opposed to the                   
  earlier estimate of $23,623,000.  He expressed concern about                 
  the substantial change in the amount of money at issue.  He                  
  also questioned what amount of money, in addition to the $23                 
  million, is necessary for the Fairbanks base schools.                        
                                                                               
  Number 199                                                                   
                                                                               
  BARBARA MARTIN, ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT FOR BUSINESS AND                    
  FINANCE, FAIRBANKS SCHOOL DISTRICT, indicated that the total                 
  estimate for the new elementary school construction in                       
  Fairbanks is $14.76 million.  Therefore, a little over ten                   
  million is still needed for the new Fairbanks school.                        
                                                                               
  Number 205                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES commented that the Fairbanks estimates                  
  may be on the high side as far as the task force's purposes                  
  are concerned.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 212                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS, GARRISON COMMANDER, FORT RICHARDSON,                        
  pointed out that the United States Department of Education                   
  (USDOE) has committed money to address life and safety                       
  hazards.  He expressed concern, however, that there are a                    
  number of items on the Anchorage school district's project                   
  list for each school which do not concern life and safety                    
  hazards.  Since the USDOE will not pay for these additional                  
  items, he asked where the money is going to come from to pay                 
  for these additional items.                                                  
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN observed that she thought most of these items                     
  were a part of the original memorandum of agreement.                         
                                                                               
  Number 238                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER responded that there was no clear record as                   
  to what the USDOE agreed to pay for.  His interpretation of                  
  the original agreement is that it included more than just                    
  life and safety hazards.  It is a gray area; however, and he                 
  sees the bottom line as what the USDOE will pay for now.                     
                                                                               
  Number 261                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS reiterated that the task force needs to                      
  examine what is affordable and what is the absolute minimum                  
  that the school districts will accept to effect the                          
  transfer.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 268                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES expressed concern that too many                         
  restrictions were being placed on the transfer.  She                         
  emphasized that the Fairbanks North Star Borough and the                     
  Anchorage school districts need to take some risks here by                   
  getting the transfer effected and then focus on the upgrades                 
  in the normal budgetary process.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 278                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER noted his agreement with                               
  Representative James.  He further noted that there were a                    
  lot of nodding heads among the group in Anchorage.  He added                 
  that it is important to keep sight of the fact that the                      
  military bases in Anchorage are the economic base of East                    
  Anchorage, and that they have an immense economic value to                   
  our community and state as a whole.  He expressed concern                    
  that if the community as a whole fails to meet its education                 
  obligations, it would diminish Alaska's ability to keep                      
  these bases open.  At a time when decisions about base                       
  closures are being considered, he reminded the task force                    
  that it needs to make every effort possible to bring these                   
  schools into the school districts as quickly as possible.                    
                                                                               
  Number 308                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER identified LISA FITZPATRICK who is                     
  working with the task force.  He then asked Ms. Stokesbury                   
  to bring the task force up to speed on the status of Ursa                    
  Major School.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 314                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY stated that the Anchorage school district                     
  received a letter from the federal government last week                      
  indicating that the grant was forthcoming and that the                       
  transfer of title could be effected.  Under the terms of the                 
  grant, the school district can draw ten percent of the $4.9                  
  million but it must spend the ten percent within three days                  
  of drawing the funds.  A meeting is set for next week to                     
  finalize details.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 332                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER questioned whether there were any                      
  problems with Native claims issues in relation to the                        
  transfer of the land.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 335                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY indicated that she was not aware of any such                  
  problems. The municipality is going forward with getting a                   
  lease for the land along with securing a signed memorandum                   
  of understanding.  She explained that even if it takes time                  
  to get the lease signed, the memorandum of understanding                     
  will take its place in the interim.                                          
                                                                               
  Number 344                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER noted that one of the Native                           
  corporations has placed a claim on the Fort Richardson land                  
  so that if Fort Richardson were ever to close down, the                      
  corporation would have first opportunity to take those                       
  lands.  A lease overcomes that problem.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 355                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS commented that similar claims have been                      
  filed with respect to the Fairbanks bases as well.                           
                                                                               
  Number 359                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES stated that she thought the state had                   
  also filed claims against the land.                                          
                                                                               
  Number 361                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked if anyone had any questions.                     
  Hearing none, he brought up an issue raised at the last                      
  meeting concerning the use of volunteer assistance.                          
                                                                               
  Number 384                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN stated that he met with Senator Ted Stevens                    
  and his staff nearly three weeks ago.  At this meeting, they                 
  discussed the task force and the issue of volunteer service.                 
  Apparently, Senator Stevens felt the idea of volunteer input                 
  was a good strategy.                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 407                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER requested that Senator Leman follow up                 
  on this issue with Senator Stevens.                                          
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN added that Senator Stevens had commented to                    
  him that it was an awkward time in the United States                         
  Congress to be asking for money for military base schools,                   
  given the competition among states vying for military bases.                 
  Both he and Senator Stevens felt this was all the more                       
  reason to pursue the volunteer idea.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 422                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER confirmed this was the same                            
  information his office had received from Senator Stevens'                    
  office.  Representative Mulder also described to the task                    
  force a conversation he had with General Ralston wherein                     
  General Ralston suggested that, rather than looking to the                   
  U.S. Department of Defense (USDOD) for base school funding,                  
  the state take its concerns to Secretary Riley at the USDOE.                 
  Representative Mulder added that Secretary Riley had been                    
  invited to this task force meeting.                                          
                                                                               
  Number 457                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS noted his agreement that the issue of base                   
  school funding really was not a Department of Defense                        
  (USDOD) issue.                                                               
                                                                               
  Number 464                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER noted the need for the community and                   
  the school district to communicate their concerns to the                     
  USDOE.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 467                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES commented again that the state needs to                 
  take risks here by committing funds to the schools.                          
                                                                               
  Number 473                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER agreed, but pointed out that it is an                  
  easier burden to carry if it is a cooperative effort.  He                    
  suggested that a fifty-fifty split with the federal                          
  government would be a fair split.                                            
                                                                               
  Number 500                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES agreed, but stated that the legislature                 
  needs to commit that money first before approaching the                      
  federal government and asking for money.                                     
                                                                               
  Number 507                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER re-raised the issue of identifying the                 
  projects which are essential, as those items will determine                  
  the size of the problem.                                                     
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN responded that the Fairbanks school district                      
  feels that it is important to bring the schools up to the                    
  same level as the schools which the school district already                  
  owns.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 535                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES noted that all of the schools in the                    
  North Star Borough are not equal at this time.                               
                                                                               
  Number 540                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER pointed out that the worst case scenario                      
  using today's numbers is that a total of $46 million is                      
  necessary to bring these schools up to speed.  Of this                       
  amount, the USDOE is obligated to pay approximately $28                      
  million pursuant to the 1990 agreement.  He suggested that                   
  the state agree to pay half of that $28 million over a two                   
  year period and allow the USDOE to reimburse the state over                  
  a period of time.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 571                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN noted that the state is facing a potential                     
  $600 million deficit depending on the price of oil.                          
  Therefore, it is not clear that the state has the money to                   
  leverage the transfer.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 593                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS said that the USDOE needed to be held to its                 
  earlier agreement.                                                           
                                                                               
  Number 605                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked the school districts to indicate                 
  whether they could have an answer for the task force by                      
  October 12, 1993, regarding the minimum amount of funds                      
  needed to effect a transfer.                                                 
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY said yes on behalf of the Anchorage school                    
  district.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 614                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN, on behalf of the Fairbanks North Star Borough,                   
  indicated that she would make every effort to meet this                      
  deadline.                                                                    
                                                                               
  Number 616                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER requested that the school districts                    
  make an effort to produce a list for the task force before                   
  the next meeting.                                                            
                                                                               
  Number 629                                                                   
                                                                               
  NANCY MILLER, PARENT ADVOCACY COMMITTEE, asked if there was                  
  anything that could be done to speed up the process.                         
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY indicated now that the groundwork had been                    
  laid with Ursa Major, things should move more smoothly in                    
  the future.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 646                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS pointed out again that the USDOE only gets a                 
  limited pot of money each year.  He raised the question of                   
  what the Anchorage school district and the municipality                      
  would consider as a good faith commitment from USDOE in the                  
  way of an I.O.U. in order to get the transfer effected.  He                  
  added that all parties need to make concessions here.                        
                                                                               
  Number 670                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MILLER proposed that the USDOE take care of one school                   
  each year for the next eight years.                                          
                                                                               
  Number 679                                                                   
                                                                               
  COLONEL VAKALIS stated it was his understanding that the                     
  USDOE was committed to fixing what they had previously                       
  agreed to fix.  However, even with this commitment, there is                 
  no guarantee as to when that money will come.                                
                                                                               
  Number 695                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY indicated that she thought it would be                        
  necessary to take this matter back to the Anchorage                          
  assembly, because the assembly passed the original                           
  resolution that the schools be brought up to this undefined                  
  code standard.  Clarification of the assembly's intent would                 
  have to be done by the assembly itself.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 702                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES pointed out that the task force members                 
  are presumably advocates for the upgrade of the base                         
  schools; as advocates, members need to push this issue with                  
  local school boards and assemblies.  She pointed out that                    
  even if the USDOE agrees to pay money down the road, there                   
  is no guarantee this commitment will be fulfilled.                           
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-3, SIDE B                                                            
  Number 000                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES continued that since the federal                        
  government has already come up with some money, she believes                 
  that the state should come up with at least as much money to                 
  show a good faith commitment on its part.                                    
                                                                               
  Number 017                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER again requested that the school                        
  districts explore their minimum requirements to effect the                   
  transfer as quickly as possible.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 036                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. STOKESBURY noted that it might not be possible to come                   
  up with a definitive answer by the October 12 meeting in                     
  light of the fact that the matter would have to be brought                   
  to the Anchorage school board before the issue was presented                 
  to the Anchorage assembly.                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 057                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER pointed out that there are two distinct                       
  issues with respect to the USDOE:  1) there is the existing                  
  $3.9 million commitment; and 2) there is the matter of                       
  getting future monies.  He suggested that the task force use                 
  the $3.9 as leverage against the state with respect to                       
  Taylor and Pennell schools in Fairbanks, which are top                       
  priority needs schools.                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 102                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked for clarification on the amount                  
  of money necessary to complete the new elementary school in                  
  Fairbanks.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 109                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN responded that it requires an additional $10.2                    
  million.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 112                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES indicated that she believes the $14.6                   
  million estimate is high.  However, she agreed that the                      
  added amount will come in somewhere around $10 million in                    
  order to complete the new elementary school on Eielson AFB,                  
  which is to be constructed because Taylor and Pennell are                    
  not fixable. However, she noted that it wouldn't be                          
  necessary to come up with all that money in one year.                        
                                                                               
  Number 130                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked what additional amounts are                      
  necessary to bring the other Fairbanks base schools up to                    
  the point where they can be transferred.                                     
                                                                               
  Number 132                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JAMES indicated she thought the amount was                    
  somewhere around four or five million dollars.                               
                                                                               
  Number 139                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER noted that Ms. Martin was passing out                  
  an updated handout on the projected costs of upgrading all                   
  the Fairbanks schools.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 145                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN explained that the numbers on this handout are                    
  taken from the capital improvement plan that Fairbanks                       
  submitted to the  Alaska Department of Education earlier                     
  this month.  The total costs associated with the new                         
  elementary school are $14.7 million.  The current estimate                   
  for upgrading the junior/senior high school is $9.8 million.                 
  The last project is Anderson elementary school for which the                 
  projected cost is $2.5 million.   These figures include                      
  inflation factoring and they include program needs, as well                  
  as life and safety concerns.                                                 
                                                                               
  Number 196                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER requested confirmation from Ms. Martin                 
  that she would get more definitive information for the next                  
  meeting regarding the amount of money needed to complete the                 
  projects which would be required by the Fairbanks North Star                 
  Borough before the transfer could be effected.                               
                                                                               
  Number 214                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN asked Ms. Stokesbury whether the school district                  
  had received the Army Corps of Engineers' report regarding                   
  the Elmendorf and Fort Richardson schools.                                   
                                                                               
  MR. BRANCH responded they had, and that the information was                  
  incorporated into the Anchorage school district's report.                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER elaborated further that he had requested the                  
  school district to incorporate the information into their                    
  report and write General Ralston a letter explaining how                     
  that was done.  Several weeks ago, he requested the wing                     
  commander in Fairbanks to request that his army corps of                     
  engineer unit examine the life and safety issues in the                      
  Fairbanks schools.  He added that, ideally, this information                 
  should be published since there are other people out there                   
  who are interested in the issue.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 255                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked for clarification as to the time                 
  table on this review.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 257                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAPTAIN PORTER responded that the Anchorage base schools                     
  have already been inspected and the report is completed.  He                 
  does not have a time frame with regard to the Fairbanks                      
  inspection and report.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 269                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER asked for details on the Fairbanks                     
  base school tour scheduled for October 12, 1993.                             
                                                                               
  Number 275                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. MARTIN indicated that she was awaiting information on                    
  the travel schedules of those coming from out of town for                    
  the tour.  Barbara indicated that she expected the entire                    
  tour would take about three and one half hours due to the                    
  driving time involved.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 288                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER stated that, assuming the plane                        
  arrives at 9:00 a.m., the tour can take place in the                         
  morning, the group can assemble for lunch, and the meeting                   
  can begin at about 2:00 p.m.  He requested that anyone in                    
  need of transportation contact his office.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 344                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER welcomed PATTY NORHEIM to her first                    
  task force meeting and asked her if she had any comments or                  
  questions.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 349                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. NORHEIM indicated that she had no questions, but she                     
  would appreciate receiving any additional information that                   
  might be provided to her.                                                    
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  Number 360                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MULDER adjourned the meeting at 2:43 p.m.                     

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